MY INTERVIEW WITH ELIZABETH DUCIE
My guest tonight is a Devon based writer of award winning short stories. She has also written textbooks, articles and management reports on the global pharmaceutical industry, as well as being editor of a technical journal. Her latest text-book was published as recently as July 2012 and it’s only in the past 6 years that she has turned to creative writing. Since then she hasn’t looked back. She moved with her husband to the south-west of England for its rich, green scenery, after many years in the arid south-east, and forgetting to ask why the countryside was so green, was a bit taken aback by how wet it is at times. She used to live a secret life as an international jet-setter, but has recently given that up to write full-time. When she grows up, she wants to be a best-selling novelist and live in a cottage with roses around the door. To date, she's got as far as the roses.
Although we know her as Elizabeth Ducie, her friends call
her by her real name of Kate McCormick.
Kate, if I may use your real name, thank you for joining us
this evening. I’ve interviewed a pharmaceutical representative who became a
writer (Sarah England), but never someone who actually wrote text books about
it. Was the move into creative writing linked with your move to the West
Country?
Well, Richard, the
two things happened around the same time, but were probably both factors of
where we were in our lives rather than cause and effect. We wanted a quieter,
less busy, lifestyle leading up to retirement, hence the move to the south west
in 2007. I’d started the creative writing by then and gradually it became more
important to me, until I knew I had to ‘give up the day job’ to concentrate on
the writing.
The move sounds idylic and for the right reasons. I understand you’re taking a degree in creative Writing as a
mature (I hope you don’t mind me saying that!) student. How are you finding it
and is it helpful in your transition towards being a fiction writer?
I’ve actually
finished the course (an MA at Exeter University) and graduated in January
(hence the cap and gown picture on Facebook, which I must get around to
changing). It was a weird experience being back on campus after nearly 40
years. As a scientist, I found the switch to an Arts subject difficult at
times, and I found I was lacking some of the basics that the English graduates
took for granted. My original reason for taking the MA was to provide the
discipline and structure needed to finish my first novel (which I had started
in 2006); in the event, I finished it just after I graduated. I certainly
believe the MA gave me many benefits including improving my writing technique;
making me a much better reader; and it was a wonderful networking opportunity.
There is a group of us who continue to meet up once a month and many more that
keep in contact by Facebook.
I agree with you there, that socialising is most important. Did you find your background in text books gave you
discipline in proofing and editing?
Absolutely. I find
the process of editing very satisfying. I guess it’s the scientific way we
excise unnecessary words and find better ways of expressing a thought. I’ve
also always been good at grammar and am one of those nerdy people who shout at
the TV when a presenter gets it wrong. (My husband says I’m just too picky!).
Having said that, I believe it’s always necessary to get someone else to
proof-read your work. The eyes tend to see what the brain tells them to see,
rather than what’s on the page.
It's amazing what people miss of their own work, that an editor will pick up so easily. You co-edit your local community magazine. How did you get
involved and how has it evolved?
Back in 2009, when we
first met, Sharon spotted an advert in the Chudleigh Phoenix, which was a
bimonthly hard copy, distributed by hand. The guy who set it up had too much
going on and was looking for someone to take it over. We saw it as a vehicle
for getting our writing and our names known (we were both relatively new to the
town) but we had no funding for a hard copy format and were about to turn the
idea down when I suggested turning it into an electronic newsletter instead. We
started with just four pages of A4 but it has snowballed since then. We now
publish ten pages of A4 every month; it goes to more than 400 email addresses
and the Town Hall prints off 100 plus copies each month for people who are not
online. Feedback has been great and we are always stuffed with articles,
reports and pictures, mostly provided by the townspeople. Since we started
publishing our own books in 2011, we also use it as an advertising base.
That's extremely enterprising. You’re in the final editing stages of your first novel,
which I believe is based in Russia. Can you tell us about the plot?
It is the story of
Gorgito Tabatadze, a businessman in post-Soviet Russia, who battles
bureaucracy, corruption and the hostile climate to build an ice-rink so his
friend’s daughter, a talented skater, will return from USA to train in Russia.
His real motivation is his failure to fulfil a promise to his mother, to bring
home his sister, Maria, who disappeared in the Gulag many years before. Interwoven
with the main action is the story of what really happened to Maria.
It sounds great and a real page-turner! Tell me, where do you get the ideas for your plots? Do they tend to
come from personal experience, or from your imagination?
I often use personal
experience as a trigger for a story, whether it’s an incident I’ve witnessed, a
person I’ve met or a place I’ve visited. That’s why so many of my stories are
set outside the UK. However, the plot will usually spiral off in a totally
different direction. These days, I’m finding living in a small town and being
involved in the community provides all sorts of triggers. I always say I will
write about this town and its characters one of these days — but I’ll probably
have to move first.
You wrote two collections of short stories with Sharon Cook,
Life Is Not A Trifling Affair and Life Is Not A Bed Of Roses. They’re very
entertaining, with a twinkle of humour and the odd tear-jerker. Did you and Sharon
write alternate stories, or do you collaborate?
We write the stories
individually, and then swap for review and editing. With ‘Trifles’ there was
one of Sharon’s that I didn’t like and one of mine that she wasn’t happy with.
So we found alternatives. We have to be happy with all the stories if we are
going to publish them together.
I have a feeling you self-published your short story
collections. How did you go about that?
Yes, we published
them under our own imprint, Chudleigh Phoenix Publications. In our annual
writing goals for 2011, we both had ‘get some short stories published’. We knew
publishers were unlikely to accept an anthology of short stories, especially
from two relatively unknown writers. Neither of us writes traditional ‘womag’
stories. So we decided to get on and do it ourselves. It meant learning about
all the different aspects of the industry: formatting, printing, ISBNs,
marketing and sales. We quickly found that writing is possibly the easiest part
of the whole process.
Will you self-publish your new novel, or go the traditional
route?
I have very mixed
feelings about this. Our industry is changing massively and rapidly. Self-publishing
is no longer a guilty secret and I now have the knowledge and skills to get a
book produced, both electronically and physically. My understanding is that
even authors with traditional publishing deals have to put a lot of time and
effort into marketing their books. However, when it comes to upfront investment
in printing, raising public awareness, commissioning reviews, distribution and
getting books placed in retail outlets, the traditional route is still the
preferable one.
I am currently
looking for an agent to represent me in approaching traditional publishers and
would be delighted if I was able to secure a publishing contract. However, it’s
a real buyers’ market out there and not every writer who deserves a contract
will get one. As you pointed out, I am a bit of a late starter to all this, so
I’ve given myself a deadline to work to. If I’ve not got an agent by the time
that deadline approaches, I will go down the self-publishing route again.
What are you working on at present?
I’ve just brought out
an ebook called Parcels in the Rain and
Other Writing. It’s a mix of thirty one short stories, flash fiction,
travel writing and memoirs written over the course of seven years, but
finalised and published over the course of one month as a way of breaking down
the brick wall I found waiting for me when the novel was finished. I’m now
writing short stories again and entering competitions, but the next novel is
already knocking to get out of my head, so I guess I’ll be starting some
character studies soon.
It's good to hear that your Russia based novel won't be a one-off! Did any particular author inspire you and help mould the way
you write?
I’m not sure I can
pick just one. I’ve always been an avid reader, from the days as a child when
my parents would put the latest Enid Blyton in my Christmas stocking every
year. I have very broad tastes but am drawn to story-driven books with plots
that races along, whether it’s Tolkien’s fantasy; crime writers like James
Patterson and Kathy Reichs; or family sagas. I struggled with some of the
literary fiction at college, especially the character-driven books where very
little happens. So I guess this is why I
find writing the ‘what’ and the ‘how’ of a story much easier than the ‘why’.
What one thing would you most like to achieve over the next
five years, Kate?
I would like to
become the best-selling novelist you referred to at the beginning of this
interview (although then I would have to accept that I was finally grown-up!)
It’s been a pleasure talking to you, Kate. Many thanks for
sharing your thoughts and good luck with your forthcoming books..
As Elizabeth Ducie, Kate has her author website at
http://www.elizabethducie.co.uk/
Life is Not a Bed of Roses is available on Amazon at
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Not-Bed-Roses-ebook/dp/B00A5TT4J4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366796944&sr=8-1&keywords=life+is+not+a+bed+of+roses
Life is Not a Trifling Affair is available on Amazon at
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Not-Trifling-Affair-ebook/dp/B007JXMQYE/ref=pd_sim_kinc_5
Parcels in The Rain is available on Amazon at
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Parcels-Rain-Other-Writing-ebook/dp/B00C9D34LS/ref=pd_sim_kinc_3
The Chudleigh Phoenix can be found at
http://www.chudleighphoenix.co.uk/
As Elizabeth Ducie, Kate has her author website at
http://www.elizabethducie.co.uk/
Life is Not a Bed of Roses is available on Amazon at
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Not-Bed-Roses-ebook/dp/B00A5TT4J4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366796944&sr=8-1&keywords=life+is+not+a+bed+of+roses
Life is Not a Trifling Affair is available on Amazon at
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Not-Trifling-Affair-ebook/dp/B007JXMQYE/ref=pd_sim_kinc_5
Parcels in The Rain is available on Amazon at
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Parcels-Rain-Other-Writing-ebook/dp/B00C9D34LS/ref=pd_sim_kinc_3
The Chudleigh Phoenix can be found at
http://www.chudleighphoenix.co.uk/